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there will be no third debate we have another debate refusing. >> a rematch, donald trump says he won't debate kamala harris again, what he would change his mind plus this the debate didn't really make that much of an impact for me. i'm not sure, but others a. tight race, new polling shows the debate didn't do much for either candidate. so what can they do to move the needle? and this will not allow this department to be used as a political weapon a rare review, the attorney general slamming efforts to turn the justice department into a political weapon and later a 9-11 conspiracy theorist invited by donald trump. to 911 memorial services. now concern growing about how much sway she has over the former president
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right 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. a live look at a beautiful sunrise in new york city on this friday morning good morning, everyone. >> i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. we made it to friday. will we survive friday the 13th? we will have to see there are just 53 days until november 5 election day, but make no mistake. take americans are already voting. voters are voting. this week, alabama became the first state to send out absentee ballots, and next week, pennsylvania, which is of course viewed as the top prize by both campaigns will begin in-person early voting the timeline part of why donald trump now says he will not participate in a second debate against kamala harris won a prize fighter loses the fight. you've seen a lot of fights, right? >> the first words out of that fighters about is i want to rematch.
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>> i want a rematch. >> and that's what she said. >> i want to rematch. so because we've done two debates and because they were successful, there will be no third debate too late anyway, the voting's already begun, yet he gotta go out and vote we got a vote >> they're telling a crowd in arizona that harris lost their debate on tuesday. >> but that new reuters ipsos poll finds americans largely disagree about half of registered voters who heard about the debate say that harris won the night just about a quarter, say that trump did. >> and of course, numbers like that are part of why the harris campaign feeling they're still riding high but advisors also urging caution. one harris campaign aide tells cnn, quote there's a quiet confidence and security and what we're doing and the mission. but no one thinks we have this in the bag. it's going to be a grind until the election day. and after harris herself sharing similar message yesterday with supporters at a rally in north carolina
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>> let's be clear about that. we are the underdogs and so we have hard work ahead but we like here. elliot williams, cnn legal analysts, former federal prosecutor, molly ball, senior political correspondent, the wall street journal, kate bedingfield, cnn political commentator, former biden white house communications director, and sarah longwell, publisher of the bulwark executive director of the republican accountability we project. welcome to all of you. thank you guys so much for being here. >> sara. i actually want to start with you because you've been talking to voters about the impact the debate had. and i'm really interested in your view of what happened and also what she needs to do next. but let's listen to some of the voters that you talk to first. and then i'm gonna let you explain exactly who they are. these are flipping first as you call them, right? people who may be willing to go either both ways. let's listen to them and then what we'll hear
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from sara about what else we've heard a, lot of things that trump was you know, criticizing and exploiting joe biden for now he's the old man that can't keep up, but she was more presidential. >> he did a poor job of taking her bait and allowing himself to get a sudden caught a caught up in different issues that we didn't need to spend a lot of time while she, you know, she addressed most of the issues pretty well and she gave donald trump like, what maybe other candidates couldn't, you know, she's a little bit sarcastic or toggling back with him, which i appreciate it. sara, really interesting, especially that last one there who likes the kind of harris's style? what have you, what is your view of how this all has played out? >> we've done a couple of groups since the debate, and these, these voters are people who voted for trump in 16 biden in 20.
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>> but a lot of groups in that category we'd seen a lot of backsliding when biden was the nominee, people were saying they were either leaning rfk where they were going to leave it blank, and what kamala harris has done is just put that coalition back together. this focus group was a clean sweep for harris, both in terms of her winning the debate and in terms of vote choice, they were all going to vote for her. she had kind of gotten them over the hump and the number one worry heard that came up that really struck me was several people organically referred to her performance as presidential, right? and this is the hump she's trying to get over. do people see her as presidential, somebody ready for the big chair and for these voters, she got them there with this performance, but i will say one of the things about this group as they all watched the debate and as we know, lots of americans don't always watch these debates. so the question is, can she ride this into a much more high level narrative about how dominating she can be that sort of filters out to voters who are paying less attention. >> yeah, i mean kate, how much do think it matters i do think it matters. >> i think one of the things she did, which i think sarah's
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groups kind of reaffirmed and this is your voters were saying the shooter was presidential. i think she was strong. she seems strong and i was one of the things that she needed to do going into this debate. she needed to show that she could essentially kind of take the foundation out from under trump and that helped sort of reinforce for people the idea that he's capable of being president, that she's strong and said she did that. so i do think i do think it mattered. i think you know, in a time and in a race where were on this really condensed timeline having this really high profile moment where she went out and kind of nailed the key things that she needed to do? yes, i absolutely think that's it. fortnum. and i also think she neutralized what should have been donald trump's two biggest strengths. >> one immigration and two, the economy. now, the criticism has come her while she didn't talk about her plans enough and others can quibble about that, but when asked questions directly about the economy and about immigration, she managed to get him talking about what
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crowd size and people, haitians eating dogs and all kinds of other nonsense when had he and those are actually vulnerabilities for kamala harris just look at the polling, yet somehow, if you are a voter who was not familiar with who these two people were and where this race stood, you become a way of thinking. wait, as i can, she's got she's far more sirius on these two really profound issues that are important to me as a voter the sense that i've gotten is that that's exactly right, but there still may be more for her to do to close the deal, right? >> that for a lot of voters. and we talked to several swing voters as well who said, yes, she did a better job than him. yes. she won the debate they as a matter of sort of performance and yes, i didn't like how he came across they may still not be convinced that they're ready to support her. they a lot of them saying, i still need to know more about who she is. i still need to know more about what she's going to do for me. so she may still have some of those blanks to fill in. but i
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think the good thing for her is that door is open to clarify, i didn't mean neutralized it as an issue through november 5. >> i just walking out of that room that night, i think she came off looking better, but but no, there is a huge way she has to go on these yet or to your 0.1 of the things i heard in the group was somebody talking about how the fact that donald trump had scuttled the immigration deal was new information to him. yeah. i mean, this is one of the things that debates really do is people tune in who are just really starting to get a feel for the race. and you have an opportunity to tell them things that they don't know yet. that's not filtering down. and so there was a guy in the group, he was the most skeptical of kamala harris, but he was saying, i didn't know trump did that don't like that. and so i think that that is a way in which and look, i do think there's always there's something about american voters they want to be courted, right? they want to be told that such that these late-breaking undecided ones, but what you see is when she turns in a performance like this at the end of every election, there's a break in independent voters, they break one way or the other. and i think what she's doing doing is chipping away to the point
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where when it comes time to break, they've seen enough. >> it also gave the harris campaign a lot of fodder to continue to educate voters, right? like she had these great moments, which now the campaign is turning into eclipse. they're using an ad. i mean, there was the incredible impact of the enormous number of viewers who were watching the night of the debate. but now she has a lot of this material that she can keep working with over the next five weeks as we move toward the election, i think that's right, that it's incremental. yeah, it's it's bit by bit and you chip away and also, if you didn't watch the debate, probably the one thing you heard or saw on tiktok is eating cats and dogs. >> that to do. >> okay. >> that's where we are coming up here on cnn this morning he took on the role of donald trump for kamala harris says debate prep, felipe rina's joins us live to discuss how each candidate on the debate stage plus because everybody police officer hailed as a heroes, you save two kids trapped in a burning building when a five-day thank you. >> have to see this morning and
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york and the da in new york. >> everyone one of those cases. and then they say, oh, he was a criminal. they're the ones that made them go after me donald trump once again, claiming without evidence the criminal cases against him in georgia and new york were initiated by the federal justice department. >> now the attorney general, pushing back in a rare enforceable public statement, miracle garland defended the justice department from attacks. it's works politically motivated. garland didn't mention trump by name. he did denounce the spread of conspiracy theories and asserted the department's independence and impartiality there is not one rule for friends and another for foes one rule for the powerful and another for the powerless. one rule for the rich, and another for the poor. one rule for democrats and another for republicans are norms are a promise that we will not allow this department to be used as a political weapon.
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>> alright. elliot williams, what did you hear from garland there? why did he do this now yeah. >> just help us understand kind of the context because he's a pretty mild-mannered guy is and the now is an important question. they once a year, the attorney general has all the u.s attorneys from around the country in washington and gibbs, us speak to them in some ways. now, this one was a little bit because they invited the whole justice department personnel to tune in and it was partly on account of the attacks against the justice department that have really been chum in the water in the united states for the last 567 years, however much, what was interesting about that clip from the debate, which sort of also turbocharged some of this is that even though fact check checking in debates, a sort of a controversial issue, he was allowed to go on making claims about the justice department having its ends in these state and local cases. that is simply not true. and i think the attorney general felt some need to weigh in here because of the fact that the justice department is getting lumped into cases that they truly have nothing to do with this whole idea. of state attorneys
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general, and local prosecutors and being puppets of the attorney general is just not how the justice department works. and he felt the need. i think to reassure the many republicans who work with the justice department, but people of all parties that their work is protected is important and has sort of separate from police and again, for, for someone who, i mean, many democrats are very critical of how merrick garland didn't step in. some of these trump things for him to kind of step out in this way. i think noteworthy for that reason aren't coming up here after the break. kamala harris making the argument for another debate while donald trump now says, no way plus the miami dolphins quarterback forced to exit last night's game. early effort took a brutal hit. that's one of the five things you have to see this morning premieres sunday, september 22, in on seat 200 $273. >> this is how much you spend
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tableau tb tb.com minutes past the hour. five things you have to see this morning is everybody two children rescued from their burning home, just in time to texas police officers now being called heroes because they're body cam footage shows them running toward the flames in getting the kids out, look at that a bear going for a stroll on a crowded beach, causing quite a stir on lake tahoe. the bear seemed completely unbothered by the weekend lake crowd. people gave him smartly, plenty of space to explore. he hopped in the water so to swim you know, as you do in south carolina, a train smashing into a tractor trailer, hauling a tank witnesses say the truck got
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stuck on the railroad tracks and was unable to move out of the way of the train thankfully, we can say nobody was hurt. >> that is crazy all right. >> miami dolphins quarterback tua, title of people ten hag viola, sorry, forced to leave tonight last night's game against the buffalo bills with a concussion he suffered at late in the third the corridor on a hit by bills safety damar hamlin, hope that he is okay and one of california's largest wildfire is igniting a mountain top in orange county. this fire burning more than 21,000 acres so far and it's only 5% contained our time now for weather francine no longer hurricane, but there's still plenty of rain across the southeast with flood alerts impacting just over 7 million people. let's get to our meteorologist allison chinchar, who is sartorially celebrating national cloud appreciation day. we learned in the 5:00 hour. allison, good morning. what do you got? >> if good morning and happy cloud appreciation day to you too? yes. we take a look. you can see how much they heavy
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rain impacted these areas the last few days. this video from new orleans, you can see a good samaritan rescuing a man whose vehicle got trapped in the flood waters. but the key thing to notice the system while it is well inland, it has significantly slowed down forward speed only three miles per hour to put that in perspective, that's about how fast an average human walks. so we could walk faster than this system is moving. and what that means is it's got a lot of time to dump a tremendous amount of rain over some of these areas in the southeast already several places in louisiana and even mississippi, picking up eight to even nine inches of rain, more is still yet to come because this system will gradually starting to make its way towards the east. it's going to take time. we really don't even see it spreading to say atlanta. and much of georgia until saturday and then into the carolinas by the time we get into sunday, know a lot of these areas are dealing with drought conditions. they need the rain. the problem is you don't want too much rain in a short period of time. and this swap right here where you see the yellows, oranges, and reds, a lot of these areas are expected to see widespread two
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to four inches and some of them could end up picking up 67 even as much as eight inches of rain before this system finally moves out, which is why you end up having the risk for flooding all right. >> allison chinchar for us this morning. allison. thank you very much. have a good weekend coming up next here on cnn this morning, he played a critical role in kamala harris is debate prep pretending to be donald trump believe rina's is standing by with the inside story plus but trump campaign trying to get some help from taylor swift by imitating her best selling merch will explain what that's all about in our morning round-up mitchell never find another like war
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all the bronze are off your face? >> you know, someone's putting makeup on the other day and they said, oh, you already have some makeup on and i was like i just had a facial this morning. i couldn't be had still have makeup on. you guys have no idea what it's like to wear makeup and heels i feel you cannot understand you tell us what do you what it's like? >> my my every everyday right after this show which make up or not, but on talking in the break is you're sitting down you ended up playing trump, but you actually, i had asked did you call did you get this call? right after the switch was made to play donald truck because i know you also played trump for hillary clinton back in 2016 i think my mean, my biggest question for you is, what's the difference between prepping kamala harris for this debate compared to other debate preps you've done or like with hillary clinton, for example, how did you approach it? >> well, first off, i had never met the vice president, so it
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turned out to be for the best cut she had never met donald trump with hillary. i've been with her for so long that my mere presence ticked her off, so i didn't have to do much simulate you know, there are only two people and now three who understand what it's like to be on that stage with a job interview. i mean, imagine if we were talking right now and kate, we're standing here with a chain saw, very hard very distracted with me come back i'll be very hard to hit me and to hear me. and that's the only way he can win is to block out what someone is saying and what you saw the other night was i was watching the people that were quoted and you made the point about people that know that he scuttle the immigration bill and that is an important point and whatever was going on there, which she looked like malfunctioning is was important to give her the
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space to talk about what she wants to do into remind people, the guy had a record, you'd never know it listening to him that he served for four years and this whatever you want to call it, this amnesia that people are somehow having pleasant memories of his term is odd and it's important to really point that out a question for you along those lines. how was prepping to be donald trump different in 2016 or 2016 versus now he's the first thing and today he is and it's actually pretty serious. the first thing i noticed and i later compared notes with bob bauer, who played the same role for vice president biden. there is something going on with his language he always digressed he wouldn't be talking about china tariffs and then talk about the chinese bank being in trump tower. >> now, there's just this staccato stopping short, not using proper nouns as much. >> i think we're all used to
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it. >> and there's a lot of laughing, but that he is he the way i think about it and we all have friends with a laptop that's a little old and they should be replacing it it drains the battery a little fast and it's heavier than it should be. >> and he is a different person that is hard to tell because he looks generally the same and he's equally loud and somehow being louder and tanner has been equated to health and it's just not there is something and we saw today, irrespective of what the vice president did what the former president did is very unnerving in that. >> okay, let's just say that she didn't get under his skin at minute 11 or minute 12. how does getting under his skin lead to these four minute diatribes? and why is it happening? an hour or 70 minutes in that he can't pull it together. that's very unnerving. >> yeah, it's different i
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fully what did you learn about the vice president in this process mean what can you tell us about her as a person? >> how does she approach problems? >> how did she approach this prep? what kind of questions did she ask you as you were doing this? >> well, she's the real deal. i mean, i had a similar klor or i had uninformed view of her beforehand, which is a problem that she has to fix with millions of voters, which she did with her convention speech. and then did tuesday night. >> i you know, she put in the work she never said or aid have had enough of this. >> i'm going home, which other people have have done it's funny because you know, the person with you is imitating trump you really can't believe though, that the nonsense coming out of their mouth actually comes out of donald trump's mouth so, you know, watching the debate, you're like, oh, my god had, you know, who's going to talk about german inflation because he's a
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broken record. and the fact checking, abc had a very easy job in the sense because he repeats himself all day. he'd been talking about cats and dogs for two days. he was sending you know, truth, social, whatever they're called, notes about cats and dogs, and pictures about cats with, ar 15s. so a gave them an opportunity to call him out on it. and that's important because it to what what the vice president did that night she did basically the job of four or five people she did her job of speaking to the camera and saying, here's what i want to do. she did the job of calling him out she did the job of saying, what are you talking about and that's tough. >> that is toughen. it is not easy to do. we all do it watching the debate and you're sitting there. it's like mystery science theater it's an ongoing commentary like what did you talking about? like
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what's wrong with him. >> but she's on stage and it's this far away in you have milliseconds to respond. >> yeah, once she did a lot of it with her face which know as someone who works on camera, i have some understanding of how you can do that and it really made me wonder if that was something that was practiced. i mean, were you watching back tape in this split-screen and like watching that practice, i think it's the point of prep for anything, whether it's congressional testimony or media is to eliminate the idea of total surprise. you just want people to kind of get used to things and they do most of that outside of the formal sessions, they might be in the shower or running. were there thinking, you know if he says this, i want to say that it's not an exercise in some kind of scandal or house of cards memorization did she think about i mean, look like she's the pose right there with her hand underneath her chin, right. >> i mean, clearly she must
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have known that this was how this machine i mean, she must have thought about it, but it doesn't mean there's someone sitting there saying, okay, let's practice the chin and let's practice the cross arm. those are human reactions, but it's so true though thinking about what you look like on television is such an important part. i mean, people understandably are so focused you know, as they should be on the substance and how am i going to parry this and how am i going? but one of the things that can get lost in debate prep in my experience, and so kudos, huge kudos to you guys team. >> i want to make those solar of cash salute it matters what you look like on television, it matters what your face looks like. >> it others, whether you look comfortable, whether it's flipped, saying you don't look surprised, and whether it doesn't look contrived, it doesn't look like, you know, here's this set piece moment that we all cooked up because we're so smart and we're going to execute it this way. it has to feel for the viewer authentic. and i think one thing she did so, so well was
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she was dismissive, of trump in a way that made him look small and made her look big and strong. and that's a she put on a clinic and i always think of that role that i play as the ball machine of someone says, let's text her forehand. >> i should it there and if someone back in there and then on the ball machine that just keeps spewing the balls accidentally, that's just going every which way because again, are malfunctioning. but you know, we're sitting here right now to kate's point and these guys know their on tv. i mean, they're not sitting there making funny faces. i mean, it's a big part of it. you are in a debate and, you know, in rough terms for 45 minutes you are being watched split-screen the entire time. and people, you know, she has a disadvantage that people need to get to know her and people want to get to know her in tuesday was a step in that and hopefully, you know, the people who the three people that we saw with their comments are 3
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million people. there's this slight short narrow sliver of people that for whatever reason, could it decide between donald trump and joe biden for reasons i can't understand and now it's joe biden. it now. donald trump and kamala harris and everything you do i don't know who any of those folks after watching the bait was like, i'm more inclined to vote for donald trump as opposed to what is wrong with that guy well, sara has said, i don't know how live the first four years watching that one of the pieces of good news is that for kamala harris, is that the more people see of donald trump, the less they like him. and that is always been true. the more donald trump is front and center, the more his numbers go down. what's interesting is that the more people see kamala harris right now, the more people like her. and so i think the debate it should be and will be the kickoff to being out there all the time. >> that's why he's extensively avoiding another
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one, although i think that that's just working in the nobody really loves losing and it seems clear that what do you mean that was the best debate all time, of course, is never going to admit that in public briefly, flee the handshake moment at the top was that rehearsed? >> well, what's funny about that is that's human behavior. we know if you, if someone had said right, but you are ron well, but i mean, that's just normal year like i've never met you. i'm going to say hello. you would never would have said mitt romney and obama. oh, my god, they shook hands. >> it's crazy that this was a seventh debate and no one has shaken sentence hill or does she said about it beforehand? i'm sure. i mean, for some amateur shows, miami act, it's not a practicing again, when i took the podium and debate prep. did she come over and shut? >> when i met her and i said madam vice versus not to meet you. and in 20 minutes, you probably won't think that that's true anymore. i mean, it's such a skill debate prepper. >> if you notice that he gave you a very compelling answer to your question without asking a specific answer is i don't know
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what you're saying. >> we have spent a lot of time also dealing with people like me. very practice. it never actually telling us it is less than you would think i mean, joe biden didn't practice not shaking his hand? correct. you just like i'm not touching that guy. i don't know where that hands been but actually, we do know where that answer he didn't to your point about authenticity and it's not all rehearsed and practice. he didn't because he didn't want to he was angry at him and didn't want to go shake his hand. and so he didn't because the best debates are the ones that show who the person actually is and reflects an authentic dynamics. so no, we never rehearsed. yeah. >> i'm going to stand there and not approach donald trump. it was joe biden didn't want you know, hillary refused to after the access hollywood, she's like, i'm just not the fact that, you know, nancy pelosi had it right. like, no one should be on stage with him debating him, and she doesn't mean that in a second guessing strategy kind of way this is not right. it's one of the
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many things that are not right about this thing's what was interesting is that if you watched all the way through, there was an overhead shot when it was over and boy, did he scurried off that stage quickly that's biden. >> that's a body language thing. here's the thing about that handshake it was an alpha move from the jump he wanted to avoid shaking hands. she went right in and said, no, no. i mean, you're space and i'm going to start this debate and then she never let up. she was the alpha the whole time. his reaction people don't realize how how in often said a word he is c, i can't even get out on how often he is in challenging situations. he goes to rallies, he talks whatever thinks about it goes on fox, which is basically a broadcast or ally. >> he goes said, national association of black journalists, and he's immediately angry. and you see that in these various scenarios, if he comes out and he's like i can't just talk about what i want to talk about. i mean, here's where i have to admit his israelis can
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be quite bearable to watch and you can see why if you don't think or you don't realize is lying. so often, if you believe what he's saying, i understand why people listening to him like him. because it's, you know, it's strengthened. we're going to get back there. they don't realize he is lying to them. i mean, he's not lying to us. he's lying to them. the people that are extensively or hurts biggest supporters. he is lying to their face well, fully brian us. thank you very much. i'll see you in four years occupy a very interesting of our plus mike quadrennial 15. >> i appreciate will come back. >> we'll have you anytime anytime like we missed you for the time that you went dark so come back soon. alright. still ahead here on cnn this morning, boeing workers on strike by 33,000 employees at the aerospace company are joining the picket line. that's in our morning saying round up. and will there be another debate? trump says no, we'll ask michael smerconish. she was
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designer sales at up to 70% or so of guilt gilt.com today are 49 minutes past the hour. here's your morning morning roundup our members rejected the contract by 94.6% 30,000 boeing workers in seattle and portland on strike this morning, shutting down production of the company's best selling 737 max jet as they struggle with mounting debt and output delays, the workers are demanding a 40% pay hike donald trump's campaign now selling taylor swift inspired t-shirts. this comes just after swift announced she was endorsing kamala harris for president the trump campaign, writing on social media, calling all swifties for trump, get your truck trump era shirt. >> today all right. let's turn out of this feel at times like an episode of seinfeld where kramer, thanks to the new fast food place across the street, is kidnapped big pets, dogs, jerry, three dogs dogs, dogs,
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jerry, i went on a date with putty last night and had him eating out of my hand like a dog. >> now that's the tail wagging the dog american voters will not get to watch their presidential candidates on a debate stage again before the november election one x trump administration official saying not so fast, former trump white house communications director anthony scaramucci predicting this about his old bosses decision not to debate kamala harris a second time? it's 100% that he's going to debate that prediction here. >> he's, he's a wrestler, you know, he's like a ufc thing. >> he's going to say he's not going to debate. he knows he lost the debate and he knows he's debating her again. but he has to have a buildup. he thinks as a negotiating chip is trying to show is macho flex joining me now is cnn political commentator michael smerconish, the host of cnn's smerconish, michael, wonderful to see you, great to be with you in person
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in philadelphia on tuesday as we watched this debate together with the great wolf blitzer but i want to talk about what you think about what may happen next year, because trump has said he's not going to do it scaramucci there. >> thinks he will fully brightness who was just here as someone who tries to embody donald trump walked out. he didn't say this on the air, but as he was leaving, he said he's convinced the trump is going to debate again, what do you think? >> first of. all i loved your last segment. i'm almost sorry that you're coming to me. i wish felipe had had more time because i loved hearing the backstory of what was going on. my suspicion is that there will be another debate. i think he's trying to work the setting. i think it's weakness though, if he's really doing this to set up a fox debate i think it's weakness and if he does well, people will say, well, it was on fox. do you know what i think donald trump should do? i think donald trump should say, i'd like rachel maddow to host the debate and i'm willing to go to msnbc or let joy reid asked me questions that would show strength in the aftermath of what was clearly a
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defeat i also think in retrospect, having gone back and watch that debate a second time, that there was so much more going on that was all cast in advance. all planned, all deliberate on kamala harris as part? yes. the shaking of the hand like you talked about, but the reliance on of all places wharton in terms of assailing his economic plan and the reference that she made to being a gun owner herself. and of course, talking about his rallies, honest-to-god, i think when it's all said and done, kasie, there'll be a book written and we're going to find out that there was professional psychological help relied upon on how you push his buttons and it worked well, we'll call fully back and see if he can shed any additional light on that. i mean, it is it is interesting in that what i think one of the things you're putting your finger on here is that she hit on things that donald trump's simply cannot resist right? >> like there is something about him where if you touch on these certain things, he cannot resist going after them. and i kind of wonder if that's how
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perhaps you're thinking about the possibility of another debate that he simply cannot resist the opportunity to get back on stage with her i think that's true. i think that it plays on his psyche, but also i'm seeing headlines about the very initial polling and i'm, i'm not yet confident that we know the impact of the debate, but let's also say this. he might need to debate her because if that margin truly is five points, which is what ipsos is saying. >> again, unreliable, it's so soon thereafter. but you know, the metric, the metric is that hillary clinton won the popular vote by two and it wasn't enough. joe biden won the popular vote by four or, and it was a tell that therefore he was going to do well enough in the battleground states. so if she is where she is in the national poll, it doesn't bode well for trump in the battleground states, he therefore will probably have to debater yeah, it's a really interesting way of looking at it briefly, michael, there's some reporting this morning from axios about the white
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house photographers, the still photographers in what we refer to here in dc as the snap pac, are they are only letting one of them fly on the plane plain and they're not really answering questions about why that is if photographers are angry, they usually get a lot more seats. >> i find it confusing because every candidate i've ever covered he loves the snap pac. they make them look really, really good and they don't report things that they hear with their ears. so when i was the ap writer, i was never allowed back there. when our api photographers, we've got this great behind the scenes stuff was what does it say to you that this is an issue for kamala harris it says to me that that she's she's got to do a coming out. >> i mean, i fully expect that she's now going to make herself available to local network affiliates where frankly, i think they play more softball than they do on a national level. and especially surely in the world of the cable outlets, it has served her well thus far. but the next interesting media question for me is going to be what kind of direct questioning will she face when she does sit down
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with a philadelphia network anchor or someone who's in raleigh or fill in the blank with whatever the affiliate might be in one of the seven battleground states yeah, it makes sense. i mean, and they say that they're going to do that next. it's definitely been a very strong part of many a campaign strategy in the past, i'm interested to see how much of it they're actually going to do here in the future. michael smerconish, love having you love our smerconish. >> this week. appreciate it and all of our viewers don't miss smerconish tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. and eastern right here on cnn all right. >> i want to turn now to this, a super pac one with connections to multiple republicans has been running what appear on the surface to be pro-harris digital ads in the key swing state in michigan. >> and it's not just anywhere in michigan. they are specifically targeting zip code foods with heavy arab american and muslim american populations these ads focus heavily on second gentleman, doug emhoff's jewish faith. watch
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this november, let's make history together. we will put a real pro israel president in the white house in joining kamala will be her husband and top adviser doug emhoff, who would be the first jewish presidential spouses ever. >> only in america kamala harris and doug emhoff, making history, standing up for what? >> it's right, supporting israel so sarah longwell, how do you react to that kind of a move? >> because again, i think the context here is so important, what they're trying to do here with arab american muslim american voters in michigan specifically yeah, they are trying to reinflaming the debate that was doing real damage to joe biden in michigan. with that population. >> and actually i remember doing a lot of focus groups in michigan during this time and it's not just there of american population, it was a lot of white voters who wanted to stand with the arab american population michigan back when there was just a lot of the
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campus protests that is targeted at people where they are trying to drive up kamala's negatives by the antisemitism, antisemitism, and it's pretty gross. >> yeah. i mean, it's just disgusting and it's not i mean, these are not ads criticizing her policy positions. this is an ad equating the fact that her husband is jewish with the idea that she is somehow going to carry forward policy that is objectionable to people who don't like the way the biden administration has handled israel-gaza. it's gross. i don't think it's i don't think it's going to work. i think they're i think they are trying to be too cute by half. i actually think he's ads are probably going to wind up helping her, molly ball. >> yeah. i mean, they seem like positive adds to me grouse when you know what they're doing. but like on this year also like the average which seems like actually an ice at so i do wonder if it's a little too subtle. >> yes and the people that they're trying to target even might not completely? >> yes. i think it will. i
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actually think they will wind up doing more good for her than damage. that they're not they feel they feel positive there too subtle voters do not, voters are not absorbing messages in this incredibly nuanced and complicated way. >> you got to have the out and say really have great you. have. to really feel strongly negative about jews to react that way to that ad, and i may be overestimating that degree. i hope they're over overestimating the kamala harris large field was that way. she's she has been very good. >> that works with somebody like joe biden who is having a difficult time communicating his position on israel and gaza. she's not having a difficult time. she is able to say clearly, i have standing with israel. i will support with support israel and also i care about people in gaza. and i think that we need to do you know, it's like she's she is clearly articulating her position and anybody who deeply cares about that issue is able to see how she does clearly articulating that issue. >> really interesting way to think about it all right, i want to get you guys to weigh in on this because i want to
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